What I like about wbb

[acasualfan]

I played competitve basketball in the late 70s through the mid 90s. As a look at the state of the mens game it strikes me as to how the basic fundamentals of the game have deteriorated. Part of this is due to the fact of the increased athletism of todays athlete. Also todays male athlete is judged almost as much on his highlight film as he is on winning and losing. To me the womens game of today reminds of the game I am familiar with and being a basketball purist enjoy the way it is played. When you play the game below the rim dependence on these fundamentals is of upmost importance. These include blocking out, setting screens, good defensive footwork, passing skills, shooting technique ect. Not everyone can be 6'6" but with the way the game is played you can still compete and win even if you are 5'5". It is refreshing to see the growth of the womens game and as more and more highschools and colleges place emphasis on there wbb programs it should continue to grow. Perhaps if they raised the rim to 11.5 feet for men we would see a return to a more fundamentally sound type of game

[fhire]

I tirer of the argument that due to the modern athlete increased athletecism they lack the fundamental of the game. It is my contention that today's athlete simple plays a game that is different from when we had our David Thompson's sneakers on! (Sorry if I just retrospect yall like that) When I played yea we passed the ball and looked for the open man but we also didn't have a shot clock as they do now! Let's face the game that we played while we revel in its glory was boring!!! That why the THEY introduced the 3 point line, shot clock, and if your in the league defensive 3 second. We live in a society that's fast paced and everybody wants to see 3 pts shots, dunks and loads of crossovers and points!! The women's games suffers only because THEY have handicapped women by making them play with men's rules! Women use a ball that's smaller why not lower the rim??? The womens game is fun to watch and I love what's coming down the pike! The ladies are playing faster with athletes that can do the fundumentals with flare and style! Stop knocking the guys they can play the world is just catching up! Folks often talk about how bad the state of hoops is in America and the common argument is they aren't learning the fundy's! Huge lies the fact is they are learning fundy's because the coaches that are teaching the games were coached by the Morgan Wootten's, the Pat Summits, C. Vivian Stringer, John Cheaney and John Wooden the great teachers of the game! Every city, town and state has many fabulous teacher of the game who love passing on this sacred information that allows the next generation to play basketball.
I just think now their are as many gifted teacher and hungry students abroad that want to learn the sacred mystery called basketball. In essensce just a over a decade ago the US soccer program was thought to be a joke now we are able to compete and even when internationally same thing is happening abroad in hoops. The orginal Dream Team wouldn't just be smashing other countries by 40 now either!!! The women still have along way to go but the product is way very exciting.

Just some of my thoughts between Expresso's!
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[BrooklynSaints]

I played competitve basketball in the late 70s through the mid 90s. As a look at the state of the mens game it strikes me as to how the basic fundamentals of the game have deteriorated. Part of this is due to the fact of the increased athletism of todays athlete. Also todays male athlete is judged almost as much on his highlight film as he is on winning and losing. To me the womens game of today reminds of the game I am familiar with and being a basketball purist enjoy the way it is played. When you play the game below the rim dependence on these fundamentals is of upmost importance. These include blocking out, setting screens, good defensive footwork, passing skills, shooting technique ect. Not everyone can be 6'6" but with the way the game is played you can still compete and win even if you are 5'5". It is refreshing to see the growth of the womens game and as more and more highschools and colleges place emphasis on there wbb programs it should continue to grow. Perhaps if they raised the rim to 11.5 feet for men we would see a return to a more fundamentally sound type of game

I think the fundamental in women’s basketball is more myth than reality. I think the best teams in women’s basketball are one on one, run and gun type of teams. Example: North Carolina, Tenn. and UConn. Stanford bigs struggle with box outs so smaller teams get offensive rebounds. Arizona State is hardly a prototypical basic fundamental team. Duke had the best half court offense this year. The memory of Duke however is the two missed foul shots, which ended Duke's season. Somehow I think a foul shot is the basics of fundamental play.

Women are shorter than men so you don't see the dunks but I think as fundamentals go the mens and women’s college game are similar.

[ladiesfirst]

Very good post, acasualfan, which I suspect speaks for millions and millions.

And, fhire, shot clock or not, David Thompson was one of the most incredible college players I've ever seen.

And I hope this doesn't sound irrevelant, but as a Candace Parker fan, I think she did more for the Women's game by Not Dunking in Dayton, than she did when she Did Dunk on Connecticutt; both were the right decisions at the time. However, it's her overall arsenol - -- those amazing reverse pivots and glide moves down the lane, the overwhelming defensive presence, are what really sets her apart.

This game - women's basketball, with players like Parker, Hammon, Harding, et al, is on the rise. I truly hope the WNBA can survive to provide our Finest Ladies better-paying employment opportunities.

[acasualfan]

The only thing I would note is how the US has fared in international competetion. I know the rest of the world is catching up but I would think that a nba allstar team should be able to beat anyone in the world. Right now the womens teams seem to be doing better than mens teams. Any ideas as to why. thanks

[BrooklynSaints]

The only thing I would note is how the US has fared in international competetion. I know the rest of the world is catching up but I would think that a nba allstar team should be able to beat anyone in the world. Right now the womens teams seem to be doing better than mens teams. Any ideas as to why. thanks

I think the #1 reason is that the women are more serious about the outcome than the men. What I mean by that is the best USA women basketball players are on the USA team. This has not been the case for men since the original dream team.

[smokeyhip]

I think the #1 reason is that the women are more serious about the outcome than the men. What I mean by that is the best USA women basketball players are on the USA team. This has not been the case for men since the original dream team.

I also think the the international game is totally different than the game we play here in the states. An example is the triangular lane, in international play there is very little use of a strong inside presence. Their game depends on dribble drives and kicks to 6'10" shooters. Consequently, when our players travel overseas our post players are lost. Look at Dirk a 7' jump shooter who struggles in big games because his team needs an inside presence which he struggles with. Officials overseas also call games much differently. Yao although injured still wants to primarily shoot jumpers. Incidently, after watching Boozer bust his A** I think Yao Ming is over rated.
Just my thoughts:cool:

[giraffespots]

I kind of agree with fhire. The men's and women's games are definitely two different things. IMO, we need to CELEBRATE those differences and not make one better or worse than the other.

Also, I think the reason the women are having more success in international play is definitely that they take the outcome more seriously. I think that is due to money. NBA players make so much money that they don't want to spend countless hours either doing something for free, or doing something that has the potential for injury, especially career ending injury.

As a Courtney Paris fan, just let me say that I agree that Candace Parker has done alot for the women's game. We need to heap lots and lots of positive attention on her skills and abilities. However, we should not stop there. Courtney deserves attention for what SHE is doing for the game, which IMO is just as significant as Candace. The same can be said for a player like Ivory Latta or Lyndsey Harding. I think the more we emphasize the positiveness in the differences between the Candaces, Courtneys and Lyndseys, the more our beloved game will grow.

I think the future of wbb is soo bright and is gonna be so exciting. I can't wait to see Candace and Courtney mix it up with Diana and Lauren while Maya and Elena are knocking at the door.

Oh yeah, and don't EVER pick Yao for a fantasy team. He NEVER delivers the points and he is SOO expensive.

[fhire]

I think the women usa team does better because they have played together for so long. They have the magic ingredient Chemistry!
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[ladiesfirst]

giraffespots,

I agree with your post, and especially that both CP-3s are bringing much to the game of basketball. I used the Parker Dunk - - No Dunk example to reinforce acasualfan's assessment that women tend to play a more fundamental brand of ball.

For what it's worth, I also totally agree with your appraisal of Courtney Paris, who now, with about a zillion consecutive double-doubles, and counting, defines consistency. She's very impressive.

I listed only a few of many, many terrific players, positive examples for the Ladies' game.