Do AAU/Exposure/High School Coaches make good college coaches?

[fhire]

With the recent trend of coaches relocating to new universites across the country a new phenomeon is occuring AAU/Exposure/HS Coaches are getting hired at the college level! at very high rate!

Chrissy Kelley formerly Forest Park HS at George Mason
Kev Morrison formerly West Coast Elite at U. Cal
Keith Brown formerly Fairfax Stars at Georgetown
George Porcha formely Boo Williams at Virginia Tech
Good Hires or Not Get
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[BrooklynSaints]

With the recent trend of coaches relocating to new universites across the country a new phenomeon is occuring AAU/Exposure/HS Coaches are getting hired at the college level! at very high rate!

Chrissy Kelley formerly Forest Park HS at George Mason
Kev Morrison formerly West Coast Elite at U. Cal
Keith Brown formerly Fairfax Stars at Georgetown
George Porcha formely Boo Williams at Virginia Tech
Good Hires or Not Get
Your Chai Latte out Let's Talk !:D

Unless they are being hired as head coaches I don't think it makes a difference. With such an emphasis on recruiting and signing the best girls, it may be looked on as a necessity.

[scoutnwhoops]

Here' the my two cents. Only so many coaches are X's and O's coaches, others are stronger in skill development and others are good at talent evaluation and/or recruiting.

What is the status of the coaching staff? Is the coach coming in being asked to do something they simply cannot? Would it be fair for Cal to ask Morrison to come in and deliver Kelsey Bone? Absolutely not? Would it be fair to ask him to manage substitutions and in-game strategy? No, not really. What if they asked him to learn those things on the fly but to utilize his strenghts and experience in evaluating players and recruiting so the other coaches can focus on what they are strongest at? The coaching staffs are teams themselves. The coaching staff, in my opinion should complement each other to bring the total package the program needs to the table. Just like players they all have strengths and weaknesses.

So before deciding if any of these are good hires look at the staff's in place and what they are being asked to do in their positions. It almost looked like a regional thing with Kelley, Brown and Porcha being from the same area of the country but the left coast got in on it too.

The bottom line for me is if these programs are hiring coaches to try and land specific players, it's going to blow up on them. But if club coach fits a need and is qualified in the things you are asking them to do then more power to those programs for not letting stigma's about club coaches get in their way of improving their programs.

[fhire]

Here' the my two cents. Only so many coaches are X's and O's coaches, others are stronger in skill development and others are good at talent evaluation and/or recruiting.

What is the status of the coaching staff? Is the coach coming in being asked to do something they simply cannot? Would it be fair for Cal to ask Morrison to come in and deliver Kelsey Bone? Absolutely not? Would it be fair to ask him to manage substitutions and in-game strategy? No, not really. What if they asked him to learn those things on the fly but to utilize his strenghts and experience in evaluating players and recruiting so the other coaches can focus on what they are strongest at? The coaching staffs are teams themselves. The coaching staff, in my opinion should complement each other to bring the total package the program needs to the table. Just like players they all have strengths and weaknesses.

So before deciding if any of these are good hires look at the staff's in place and what they are being asked to do in their positions. It almost looked like a regional thing with Kelley, Brown and Porcha being from the same area of the country but the left coast got in on it too.

The bottom line for me is if these programs are hiring coaches to try and land specific players, it's going to blow up on them. But if club coach fits a need and is qualified in the things you are asking them to do then more power to those programs for not letting stigma's about club coaches get in their way of improving their programs.

I know in a perfect world they would be selected to enhance a program gradually and grow and learn would be lovely. But the fact is those coaches are hired in my estimation to secure some of the top talent in their former aau organization as well as the better kids in the region. This is their primary function right now!
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[scoutnwhoops]

I guess if half the West Coast team goes to Cal and Shegog changes her mind to go to VaTech and Harrison goes to Georgetown and Dani Jackson ends up at GMU and Tierra Pratt goes to VaTech then all works out.

My point is only that if the programs are brining them to deliver a player or two its not going to be long before it bites them in the ...

Coaches have roles, build a trust with their players so the program is cheating themselves out of that to grab a player or two its not going to benefit the program long term. If they can bring in some players and fill the roll as the lead recruiter and be successful after a year or two it is a good hire.

[intelligenthoodlum]

A particularly clever college coach once said that college basketball, men's and women's, is about two things: recruiting, and scheduling; and then hopefully, the coaching will be good enough...

[ClayKallam]

Every coach has to start a college career somewhere, and has to come from some background.

Some players move right into coaching -- some work out, some don't.

Some high school coaches get an opportunity at the college level -- some work out, some don't.

Some club coaches get an opportunity at the college level -- some work out, some don't.

You might have noticed a pattern there ...

[mygirlcanflatoutball]

As the girls game gets bigger, more money for the coaches, more pressure to win, more exposure, more money generated by the programs, etc the more it mirrors the boy’s game. It's going to start getting ugly folks...it's just a matter of time and IMHO it's going to be sooner not later. How do the words recruiting scandal sound?

"Club" coaches moving into college roles, no doubt for their superior basketball knowledge, or their ability to grow their talents? Surely it's not their ability to charm and work kids into their current "programs" that gets them their new roles. No way quid pro quid is expected, it will just be a pleasant coincidence as certain kids follow certain coaches to those programs that hired their "coach".


Ahhhh yes, progress :(

[ClayKallam]

One of the things that interests me is that people say 'The girls' game is getting more like the boys' ... as if that's a new thing.

I think a lot of this comes from the fact that there's no real memory of how things were, especially for parents who get their daughters into basketball at age 11 or 12, and are suddenly faced with summer demands, recruiting, etc.

Just for the record, women's collegiate basketball has always been about recruiting. You win with talent, plain and simple, and from day one, coaches have gone after talent in whatever way worked. It hasn't changed, except that now there's more money in it, and so there's more intensity.

Tasha Humphrey wound up at Georgia and her mom was hired as an assistant. Coincidence? Something new? Not really.

Of course coaches are hired to recruit -- that's the most important facet of any successful college program. If you don't have talent, you don't win, and pretty soon you don't have a job. You can pick up a nice offensive set off the Internet in five minutes, or an inbounds play -- but neither will work if you don't have the players who can execute them against high-level competition.

Why the shock? Why the outrage? Colleges recruit, and always have, because that's the way you win, plain and simple. It's neither new nor a sign of the apocalypse. It's just college sports.

[acusefan4ever]

I know in a perfect world they would be selected to enhance a program gradually and grow and learn would be lovely. But the fact is those coaches are hired in my estimation to secure some of the top talent in their former aau organization as well as the better kids in the region. This is their primary function right now!

Why ask the question if you already have an answer and are going to disagree with anyone that gives a different opinion?

Every assistant coach is hired for a different reason or responsibility. In todays college games an assistant coaches ability to secure top talent from AAU teams is huge to improve a program.

At syracuse Q was promoted from assistant to interm head coach even though there was already an associate head coach that he had to leapfrog to get the position. Why? There are a few answers as to why.....Erica Morrow, Tasha Harris, Williams etc....he was the lead recruiter with every single kid. A recruiter like Q is worth his weight in at least silver(lol) he got the Williams girl from Garfield without ever going to Washington to see here. Then once the 7 player class had all signed on the dotted line he dropped the interm tag. My point is just that different coaches have different roles and its also unfair to assume that AAU coaches can't coach or help kids improve under the guidance of a good head coach.

[CalBearsFan]

I have no inside information, but my guess on the latest Cal hire is that he will compliment the coaches already in place....Boyle is no dummy and she knows where her bread and butter will come from---Cal will prosper by keeping some of home-grown talent in California.

Cal made progress in SoCal this year with Sanford's recruitment and I know Boyle wants to tap into the SoCal region more.....There's a lot of talent 'round these parts and Cal wants to take advantage of that. I'm imagine the new coach was brought on board because he has a good knack for scouting talent and will be an asset in developing relationships with potential recruits to Berkeley....part of a team effort on Cal's recruiting front.


I'm sure he will bring other coaching abilities to the table as well....:)

[fhire]

Why ask the question if you already have an answer and are going to disagree with anyone that gives a different opinion?

Every assistant coach is hired for a different reason or responsibility. In todays college games an assistant coaches ability to secure top talent from AAU teams is huge to improve a program.

At syracuse Q was promoted from assistant to interm head coach even though there was already an associate head coach that he had to leapfrog to get the position. Why? There are a few answers as to why.....Erica Morrow, Tasha Harris, Williams etc....he was the lead recruiter with every single kid. A recruiter like Q is worth his weight in at least silver(lol) he got the Williams girl from Garfield without ever going to Washington to see here. Then once the 7 player class had all signed on the dotted line he dropped the interm tag. My point is just that different coaches have different roles and its also unfair to assume that AAU coaches can't coach or help kids improve under the guidance of a good head coach.

Hey I started the thread so we can sip Chai Latte and converse! So I'm not suppose to take a position on thread that I started!? What you tryin to do ruin my Chai??? I won't to weigh in to!!!!! We actually agree almost totally! In Q situation he in my opinion is the top major mid-major (One of the growing fish in a major conference) recruiter in the country! He really doesn't qualify in this conversation because has been successful at all of his stops. I know he coached at Laurenburg Prep but his school tag has been worn off because he is a proven recruiter everywhere he's been. What's wrong with their immediate role to get kids from their organization in their regional location?
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[BrooklynSaints]

In Q situation he in my opinion is the top major mid-major (One of the growing fish in a major conference) recruiter in the country! He really doesn't qualify in this conversation because has been successful at all of his stops. I know he coached at Laurenburg Prep but his school tag has been worn off because he is a proven recruiter everywhere he's been. What's wrong with their immediate role to get kids from their organization in their regional location?

You are saying that Q is the top major mid-major recruiter in the country. What are you basing that on? What was Syracuse recruiting class ranked this year?

Is Syracuse in the running to get a top 10 player in the 2008 or 2009 class?

[fhire]

You are saying that Q is the top major mid-major recruiter in the country. What are you basing that on? What was Syracuse recruiting class ranked this year?

Is Syracuse in the running to get a top 10 player in the 2008 or 2009 class?

This years class in every publication that I know of All Star Girls Report, Blue Star,Collegiate Girls Basketball Report and Hoop Gurlz Report all had Syracuse in the top 20. And they also had a top 20 class in 2006.
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[acusefan4ever]

You are saying that Q is the top major mid-major recruiter in the country. What are you basing that on? What was Syracuse recruiting class ranked this year?

Is Syracuse in the running to get a top 10 player in the 2008 or 2009 class?

Very simple answers for you.

ASG they were 11
Blue Star they were 13

Not bad for a team that finished 15th in a 16 team league.

As for a top ten players.....Shenise Johnson is a very good player and they're in the running with her. If she played for a bigger AAU team she'd get more pub.

[BrooklynSaints]

Very simple answers for you.

ASG they were 11
Blue Star they were 13

Not bad for a team that finished 15th in a 16 team league.

As for a top ten players.....Shenise Johnson is a very good player and they're in the running with her. If she played for a bigger AAU team she'd get more pub.

Well if Syracuse signs Shenise Johnson that would be a great pick up.

I would think that you would have to win to be considered the best in recruiting. I would not expect the team to win the Big East but make a significant move up in the Big East standings. With two good years in recruiting what place do you predict for Syracuse this year?

[acusefan4ever]

Well if Syracuse signs Shenise Johnson that would be a great pick up.

I would think that you would have to win to be considered the best in recruiting. I would not expect the team to win the Big East but make a significant move up in the Big East standings. With two good years in recruiting what place do you predict for Syracuse this year?

they'll make the BE tourney this year but a lot depends on the two juco players and morrow adjust to the BE.

[BrooklynSaints]

they'll make the BE tourney this year but a lot depends on the two juco players and morrow adjust to the BE.

Morrow will adjust quickly. Morrow is a hard worker and plays good defense. Most important of all Morrow is a winner. With Morrow at the two and Slinky at the three you will have two solid players.

Do you have any big girls ?

Do you have a point guard ?

How many teams make the big east tournament ?

Which teams do you see Syracuse beating out to make the tournament ?

[acusefan4ever]

Vaida Sipaviciute, averaged 13 pts and 6 reb a game as a junior and while not dominate she's slightly above average.

PG is tough. Cintia Johnson handled the ball 99% of the time. She'll be a junior this year so she should be improved. She handles the ball well and is good on the defensive end but she can't score at all outside of free throws. She looked worse then she really is simply because there was a lack of scorers on the team. As far as other pg's this year, the incoming class has Chanieka Williams and Marissa Gobuty both pgs.

12 out of 16 make the tournament, the team missed out on the last game of the season last year. They lost to cinci on the road by 5 without the second leading scorer on the team.

GTown
Villanova
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I know this may seem arrogant but I completely believe that cuse could atleast make some noise to jump into the middle of the BE. I do have my reasons why:

1)Team loses 5th leading scorer(4.5 pts a game) and their 8th leading scorer who last season was the last scholarship player of the bench(keri laimbeer-she's transfering) and her 1.4 pts a game.......this isn't a whole lot to lose

2)Replacing these two players.....Erica Morrow an immediate upgrade at the 2. Gobuty/Williams will give depth at the point that last year was represented by a walkon. then you have Jones and Ward who play the 2/3/4 they led their juco team to a national championship(odessa), then we also are bringing in Tasha Harris who will be able to take it a little slower because of the depth in front of her. Then there is Inga Muciniece a juco post(who will be a soph) who was rated as the 28th best juco by ASG.(by the way Ward and Jones were rated as #1 and #3 by ASG)

2b)Oh wait I forgot we also had a few injuries last season. Tracy Harbut tore her acl two weeks before the season started so she will return after missing the year as a redshirt senior, as a junior was the second leading scorer on the team with 11 pts a game also averaged over 6 rebounds and 4 assists as a junior. Also Brittany Smith missed last season with a foot injury and will be a redshirt sophmore she averaged over 5 pts and 5 rebounds a game(averaged 20 mpg)

The point of this long post is that the cuse has to get better. these 9 players are bound to make an impact next season. The big three all return and will bring their 42 pts and 21 rebounds they averaged back but this year they will have a lot more help. the big issue is if the team can gel because of all the new faces.

[fhire]

Look for Jones to be the newcomer of the year in the big east! She is very capable of putting up a 20 piece nightly will be a difficult cover for anyone in the BE! A can't miss impact player best position would be the 2!
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[BrooklynSaints]

Well its great hearing about some different players. I will be sure to check on Syracuse this year.

It sounds like you have a few players that play the same position. (Jones, Harris, Morrow).

It may take 1/2 the year to find a combination that works.

I would think that Shenise Johnson plays the 2 position also. There seems to be a number of quality big girls coming out in 2008. If you can sign two of them Syracuse could start to make a move.

[fhire]

Well its great hearing about some different players. I will be sure to check on Syracuse this year.

It sounds like you have a few players that play the same position. (Jones, Harris, Morrow).

It may take 1/2 the year to find a combination that works.

I would think that Shenise Johnson plays the 2 position also. There seems to be a number of quality big girls coming out in 2008. If you can sign two of them Syracuse could start to make a move.

I agree with you but what do you think HS/AAU coaches make good college coaches???
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