Mighty Mo in the Midwest

[glenn]

A clearer role for Monique Oliver leads to a much clearer road to success for West Coast Premier at the Nike Midwest Showdown:

http://www.hoopgurlz.com/story/mighty-mo-midwest

There is a link in the story to a podcast post-game interview with Brian Crichlow, Monique Oliver and Kaleena Lewis of West Coast Premier.

[glenn]

<a href="http://www.hoopgurlz.com/story/mighty-mo-midwest">Mighty Mo in the Midwest</a></br><br>
<a href="http://cdn1.libsyn.com/gnbuzz/MW_Post-Game.mp3?nvb=20080527020957&nva=20080528020957&t=0fe59e35ed7e894eab87a">Post-Championship Podcast</a><br>
<a href="http://hoopgurlz.com/story/mw-showdown-slide-show">Showdown Slide Show</a><br>
<a href="http://www.hoopgurlz.com/node/4436">Showdown Notes</b><br>

[NOFEAR5658]

It sounds like Oliver had a great tournament. How was the other post players that she faced? Did anyone really challenge her this past weekend?

[BrooklynSaints]

Oliver sounds like she would be a good pick up for Cal. Looking at the other schools Oliver is interested in it looks like Cal has a good shot.

How did Dolson play? She is a 2010 player

[NOFEAR5658]

I would love for Oliver to go to Maryland. I see that it is on her list of schools.

I talked to a few of LB Poly people and they seem to think that USC might be the front runner.

I am really interested in knowing you Oliver went off for 40 pts. on.

[pgcop]

I heard Dolson played well she was really strong my Ohio guy said she reminded him of (Bales?) the tall girl that was at Duke. He didn't have much good info because he said that they didn't sell programs like last year with names, Dolson's team had names on there jerseys so he could identify them (although she didn't), games were really behind so he would go to a game and there were younger kids playing cause they were 2 games behind, some games had running clocks to try and catch up. He says the talent level there was great but they never updated the results charts and some players and coaches would walk by and fill in a score but sometimes it wasn't accurate. He saw Cincy Finest play Peach State and Peach was in blowout mode and Finest coach was tossed and game almost was stopped way early with Peach up 20 or so. He said they had a really tall kid on PSE he thought was Brit Griner but I told him she was at another tourney so it wasn't her. I think most of the Intel has been slow to none because even people there had problems finding out who won what pool.

[NOFEAR5658]

Pgcop, what type of info were you able to get about Team Unique? I haven't heard anything about them. It is like they didn't play. They are a pretty good team with a lot of good players, I am sure somebody noticed them in the gym.

Can we get some feedback please?

[pgcop]

Pgcop, what type of info were you able to get about Team Unique? I haven't heard anything about them. It is like they didn't play. They are a pretty good team with a lot of good players, I am sure somebody noticed them in the gym.

Can we get some feedback please?

You know I asked he said that he saw TU once but it appeared to be a young team they were losing that game but it was early and he didn't know who ended up winning, he was watching New Heights,from what I gathering their top team was in another gym the whole tourney, and as I said no one updated the brackets.

[NOFEAR5658]

Thanks Pgcop, Maybe the "Dispenser of Logic" will update us sooner or later.

[pgcop]

I think this thread is supposed to be for Monique Oliver. Let's give her, her props and use the other thread.

[soonerorlater]

I heard Dolson played well she was really strong my Ohio guy said she reminded him of (Bales?) the tall girl that was at Duke. He didn't have much good info because he said that they didn't sell programs like last year with names, Dolson's team had names on there jerseys so he could identify them (although she didn't), games were really behind so he would go to a game and there were younger kids playing cause they were 2 games behind, some games had running clocks to try and catch up. He says the talent level there was great but they never updated the results charts and some players and coaches would walk by and fill in a score but sometimes it wasn't accurate. He saw Cincy Finest play Peach State and Peach was in blowout mode and Finest coach was tossed and game almost was stopped way early with Peach up 20 or so. He said they had a really tall kid on PSE he thought was Brit Griner but I told him she was at another tourney so it wasn't her. I think most of the Intel has been slow to none because even people there had problems finding out who won what pool.

This would have had to be one of the younger teams. Cincy Finest, in the Elite bracket lost to Peach State but by 11 or 12 late in the game and the coach was not tossed.

[pgcop]

This would have had to be one of the younger teams. Cincy Finest, in the Elite bracket lost to Peach State but by 11 or 12 late in the game and the coach was not tossed.

Ok my bad I just spoke with him and he said it was the light skinned curly head guy with black Jordan gear and he coached the top team last year so he tought and still thinks he is the coach but he said he could be wrong.

[basketballisinmyblood]

Actually it was the louisville legends coach that got tossed in the game with PSE. This is the correct information.

[pgcop]

Actually it was the louisville legends coach that got tossed in the game with PSE. This is the correct information.

Thanks.....

[BrooklynSaints]

I would love for Oliver to go to Maryland. I see that it is on her list of schools.

I talked to a few of LB Poly people and they seem to think that USC might be the front runner.

I am really interested in knowing you Oliver went off for 40 pts. on.

In the past anytime the choice has been USC or Cal players have chosen USC. Does Oliver live closer to LA or Oakland?

[women]

team in the country? Is the Silver Bullet Elite. Since I wasn't in Ohio. Did the Tennesee Flight step into the Semi Final match vs West Coast Premier after the Peach State Elite left? or did the West Coast Premier. Just get a bye into the finals. Thanks in advance

[women]

The West Coast Elite coach says that his team wore down the Bullets to win late in the game? Probably true. But in reality. Was it the fact that the Bullets played a semi final game and the West Coast Elite didn't? So basically the WCE got to rest up for a few hours. While the Bullets had to play an extra game? Hmmmm I don't see this mentioned in the Championship game article?

[teammom4]

The West Coast Elite coach says that his team wore down the Bullets to win late in the game? Probably true. But in reality. Was it the fact that the Bullets played a semi final game and the West Coast Elite didn't? So basically the WCE got to rest up for a few hours. While the Bullets had to play an extra game? Hmmmm I don't see this mentioned in the Championship game article?

Cuz maybe...it's irrelevant. I saw someone mention in another thread that they wondered how a team would've done against another team had they not have played another game before the game they lost to the team that only played one game. That just doesn't matter to me. I've been at games where my team has lost it's first game to a team that was on game two. Sometimes it helps the team warm-up & sometimes it wears a team down, reality is nothing matters except the W/L columns after and of course the re-match!

I just popped in this thread so idk if someone has mentioned elsewhere or not, but for those who were asking, the only DMV update I heard was that TU went 0-3 on Saturday I believe. I don't have anymore details, but I would love some!

[glenn]

The West Coast Elite coach says that his team wore down the Bullets to win late in the game? Probably true. But in reality. Was it the fact that the Bullets played a semi final game and the West Coast Elite didn't? So basically the WCE got to rest up for a few hours. While the Bullets had to play an extra game? Hmmmm I don't see this mentioned in the Championship game article?

And what's your point? That I was hiding relevant facts? Crichlow was speaking tacticly, and I agree. If you pound a team inside on offense and full court defensively, that team is likely to break down. I'm not quite sure why you'd want to diminish what one team accomplished by rationalizing for a team in which you likely have a rooting interest.

[Pundit2007]

Maybe the top unaffilated team in the country? Is the Silver Bullet Elite. Since I wasn't in Ohio. Did the Tennesee Flight step into the Semi Final match vs West Coast Premier after the Peach State Elite left? or did the West Coast Premier. Just get a bye into the finals. Thanks in advance

Although I have nothing but the highest respect for the Silver Bullets as a top program, I have to ask, what difference does affilation mean??? That's like saying my team is the best team in the nation, that wears, red jerseys.

[women]

Glenn, your article is misleading. You should have mentioned that the WCE didn't play in the semifinals of the tournament. That helps paint the whole picture for your audience. Did it help the WCE win the game? Maybe? Maybe not? But that's something for the audience to decide. Like Fox News. All I want is fair and balanced coverage.

[YourCrimsonNightmare]

Glenn, your article is misleading. You should have mentioned that the WCE didn't play in the semifinals of the tournament. That helps paint the whole picture for your audience. Did it help the WCE win the game? Maybe? Maybe not? But that's something for the audience to decide. Like Fox News. All I want is fair and balanced coverage.

If you go back and read all the stories on the Midwest Showdown, I'm sure you'll find it noted that WCE's semifinal opponent had to forfeit giving them a bye.

How do I know this? Because I knew that information before I ever read this thread, and I didn't read it elsewhere.
Call it a hit-and-run. Maybe the top unaffiliated team in the country, Peach State Elite Black stepped up in one of the more hugely competitive non-evaluation tournaments of the year and made the semifinals, only to forfeit the game to West Coast Premier, the eventual elite-division champions. Peach State bussed up from the Atlanta area and parents wanted their girls home to finish school work.
http://www.hoopgurlz.com/story/midwest-showdown-notes

That story was published before your first inquiry in this thread.

[glenn]

Glenn, your article is misleading. You should have mentioned that the WCE didn't play in the semifinals of the tournament. That helps paint the whole picture for your audience. Did it help the WCE win the game? Maybe? Maybe not? But that's something for the audience to decide. Like Fox News. All I want is fair and balanced coverage.

Give me a break. You don't want fair coverage, you want an excuse for your team. Well, the Hoopsking gave you one - it's a whole story about excuses. If I were the Silver Bullets, I'd seriously be insulted by all of this. Why isn't it a great accomplishment that they made it to the championship game of a very good elite division?

[women]

Glenn, I just want to know what happened. Nothing more, nothing less. You didn't give us that. What Hoopsking gave everyone was the complete story. Not excuses. Did these excuses as you call them. Factor into WCE victory? Like i said before. Maybe? Maybe not? That's for the readers to decide after they hear all about what transpired. All we want are the facts.

[coachdarkansasraptors]

Be happy with what you have and stop constantly picking apart what you think is being done wrong to you. You should be happy that Hoopgurlz attended the event and covered it at all. They did not have to and could of covered some other event going on in the country. They not only attended the event but they wrote multiple articles about the event. So the article did not have the spin that you wish that it did or maybe it did or maybe it did not state the facts like you want them stated but why continue to use a posting name that you only use when you are unhappy with something and just trash the person writing the article. The article did not bash anyone or turn its nose up at one team over the other team. It stated facts which were relevant in the story concept. It is a journalistic story not a blow by blow narrative of everything that went on at the whole tournament. If you are so unhappy with the coverage of every event and every article than just go somewhere else to vent at please. At least Hoopsking has the guts to use their regular log in to post what they have to say. You might not agree with hoopsking but at least hoopsking has the backbone to own up to what they have to say. :eek:

[women]

I am happy that Hoopgurlz covered the event. I don't want any spin? I just want what happened. There was no semifinal game played by WCE team. Despite the article saying there was. Like I said. Just give the public the facts. I don't need any spin. Just don't change history or hide interesting facts from the people that read this board for info. I am not venting or anything close to that. My post have been done in a calm demeanor. I enjoy reading the site and what people have to say. I just want fair and balanced

[joemontes]

I would love for Oliver to go to Maryland. I see that it is on her list of schools.

I talked to a few of LB Poly people and they seem to think that USC might be the front runner.

I am really interested in knowing you Oliver went off for 40 pts. on.


The center position is currently USC's glaring weakness, so should OLIVER decide to join the Trojans, then USC will most likely be a national TOP 10 team for years to come, assuming that recent 5-star rated recruits SG/PG Jackie GEMELOS (from 2006, but an incoming freshman), SG/SF Stephanie GILBREATH (from 2007, but an incoming freshman, as well), PG Ashley CORRAL (from 2008), and SF Brianna GILBREATH (from 2008) are all healthy....

[glenn]

I am happy that Hoopgurlz covered the event. I don't want any spin? I just want what happened. There was no semifinal game played by WCE team. Despite the article saying there was. Like I said. Just give the public the facts. I don't need any spin. Just don't change history or hide interesting facts from the people that read this board for info. I am not venting or anything close to that. My post have been done in a calm demeanor. I enjoy reading the site and what people have to say. I just want fair and balanced

Really, what is your problem? Haven't you ever read a good, national sports page? I didn't "spin" anything or hide anything. I picked out a focal point in the game and rode it. I've won national awards for my sportswriting. Do you think I'm going to change my approach because of you, who, by the way, isn't even honest or confident enough to post by your own name? Anyone can just rehash a game.

What you and the other complaining New Yorkers on this thread are doing is diminishing Mo Oliver, who the story was about. Honestly, the rest of the country doesn't really care who won the game. In our opinion, they care about the girls, which is why we write about them. The fact that some adults keep interjecting other agendas into the picture is a source of high and increasing irritation to me and a lot of other people who use this site.

[BrooklynSaints]

The center position is currently USC's glaring weakness, so should OLIVER decide to join the Trojans, then USC will most likely be a national TOP 10 team for years to come, assuming that recent 5-star rated recruits SG/PG Jackie GEMELOS (from 2006, but an incoming freshman), SG/SF Stephanie GILBREATH (from 2007, but an incoming freshman, as well), PG Ashley CORRAL (from 2008), and SF Brianna GILBREATH (from 2008) are all healthy....

What would Oliver going to Cal do for Cal ? Would that be enough to keep Cal as a top 10 team ?

[ClayKallam]

It certainly wouldn't hurt if Oliver went to Cal ...

I think the key for the Bears is how good Shawna-Lei Kuehu really is. Some have told me that, if her knee gets back to 100%, she will be an impact player at the Pac-10 level. If so, and if Casey Morris turns out to be a solid Pac-10 guard, Joanne Boyle's ability to get the most out of what she has should keep the Bears winning 20+ games.

[Bobbk]

Cal wasn't mentioned in Oliver's list of schools. Now maybe she is still considering Cal, but even the folks on the Cal Board got that message loud and clear.

[BrooklynSaints]

Cal wasn't mentioned in Oliver's list of schools. Now maybe she is still considering Cal, but even the folks on the Cal Board got that message loud and clear.

Ok, I did not see the update. Cal still shows as an option on the hoopgurlz site.

[Hoopsking]

Glenn, i'm not diminishing anything and my post was not to make excuses. I'm just reporting on what I was told.

Bottom line West Coach Premier won the title over the Silver Bullets. I just added something in my post that coaches and fans wanted to put out there.

West Coach Premier did not play in the semi-finals because the other team forfieted as they wanted to get home to get to school the next day. So the team that forfeited knew coming into the tournament that they could not and would not play in the championship game right? Somebody dropped the ball here.

I have no beef with you Glenn. My only beef is with the committee who could have easily had a team like the Tennessee Flight play WCP in the semis, rather than givin them a bye.

So if I'm complaining, it's about how the committee handled the final 4. Bottom line is that it was poorly handled. That is my opinion. That's that!

Yes, I'm going to say it. It would have made a difference if the WCP had played a semifinal game. Debbie stated it clear that they had to play in a tough semifinal game and then travel 1/2 hour to another gym and play WCP.

It is what it is.

[YourCrimsonNightmare]

Glenn, i'm not diminishing anything and my post was not to make excuses. I'm just reporting on what I was told.

Bottom line West Coach Premier won the title over the Silver Bullets. I just added something in my post that coaches and fans wanted to put out there.

West Coach Premier did not play in the semi-finals because the other team forfieted as they wanted to get home to get to school the next day. So the team that forfeited knew coming into the tournament that they could not and would not play in the championship game right? Somebody dropped the ball here.

I have no beef with you Glenn. My only beef is with the committee who could have easily had a team like the Tennessee Flight play WCP in the semis, rather than givin them a bye.

So if I'm complaining, it's about how the committee handled the final 4. Bottom line is that it was poorly handled. That is my opinion. That's that!

Yes, I'm going to say it. It would have made a difference if the WCP had played a semifinal game. Debbie stated it clear that they had to play in a tough semifinal game and then travel 1/2 hour to another gym and play WCP.

It is what it is.

You know how tournaments work. When a team loses to a team that subsequently forfeits, the team that was supposed to play the winner of that game advances on a forfeit. Otherwise, you have somebody in the loser's bracket advancing on the forfeit. Please, it never works that way. You know it, I know it. That's just the way tournaments work.

Quit whining!

[Hoopsking]

Whatever! :mad:

Obviously, you haven't been to many tournaments my friend if you are taking that approach.

[women]

And let's not forget to factor in that in Glenn's article. He says that WCP played in a semi final game. Which they didn't. He says Ms Oliver scored 40 points in the semi final game vs Tenn Flight. She did score 40. But it was a quarter final game. Like I said I just want the facts. Fair and balanced. Let's not rewrite history

[coachdarkansasraptors]

Well lets ban a great writer and a major contributor to women's basketball for misprinting the words semifinals and quarterfinals. Everything in an article that is printed is not done so to distort the facts. I do not think you know how serious of a charge that you relay on a writer when you claim that they are distorting the facts for their own gain or changing the facts to make up a different history. Let's agree that their apparently was not a semi-finals game but I am sure that in a busy tournament with games at different gyms and the brackets not kept up to date that it is hard to keep track of forfiets and win. The article was a body of work to speak about an individual player with a fact in it that maybe not have been correct but I am sure that after all the articles that the writer has written he has earned the benefit to be wrong or just mis speak once or twice without being accused of trying to change history. You state a fact that is different once and than you back it up with proof to support your clain. You state a fact twice to reaffirm that you are correct. You keep brow beating a fact into everyone's head to try to push an agenda against a party or a person. I think by past posts before your last one that the subject of this thread had moved on from your veiled desire to berate a very good writer with the best of intentions. So lets move on. :confused: